The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. How asinine. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. No. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Why Ruth Bader Ginsburg Refused to Step Down - The New York Times Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. Glamour reported that Danny was paralyzed from the chest down as a result of the shooting and Cheryl suffered a major stroke as a result of the attack that left her with a lifelong speech impediment. The strong, emotive language. Every single one. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. TOP 10 why didn t steve downs get custody BEST and NEWEST Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. Inflammatory and speculative It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. What Happened to Diane Downs' Husband Following Her Sentencing? This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. Within a few weeks, the kids who had survived were placed in protective custody and were no longer in Steve's care. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. That makes no sense. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. Diane did not get a fair trial. My brother was a first-generation immigrant who died in police custody To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. However, when all the details came to be understood by the police, Steve found out what really happened to his kids. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. is this a reason??? Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. View theaffidavits. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. Is there any update? Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. Mr. Do you remember probably about four or five days after She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. Dr. Joshua Budhu is a neuro-oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. That doesnt make it true. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? Nobody near to help. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). 5. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. What I believe doesnt matter at all. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. Danny and Christie survived the attack while middle child, Cheryl, died from her injuries at the time. It is said that their union was loveless and that Steve was a player who was also quite irresponsible and immature from time to time. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; They would have welcomed them with open arms. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. 3. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Did Anyone Watch 20/20 Last Night? - Page 3 - Blogs & Forums - QVC woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. The case NEVER made sense to me. It was faulty. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways . Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. Dianes story does not contradict that. Danny was the product of an affair. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. She was found guilty. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. If Hugi got attached to the children, why did he wait 2 years when little Christie was starting to say she had no clue who shot them? The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. Page 26 of Case History. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. This is especially if it comes with a history of erratic behavior following the use of these substances. Diane Downs is an infamous killer who tried to murder her three children to pursue love. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. 1. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 1st, you came back from a trip? (that one is more of a question). Pay attention: Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. I especially loved reading everyones comments. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. It seems like Steve and Diane were meant to be together. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. It should be removed from the blog. (Appendix 3). I will not remove anything. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. I still dont buy her story. And I care about the lack of evidence. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to At that timeand now!! After all, many cases of domestic abuse and even neglect do stem from alcoholism or drug abuse. They were treated very badly in this matter. Her character was also too much on the forefront. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. He has also once again decided to defy . And she went back to her parent's home in Arizona. Agreed. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. Then they just got shut out. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. I dont. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. Steve was among the few individuals who saw Elizabeth Diane as a beautiful young lady rather than an outsider. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? However, he had no interest in taking care of Dianes children. Who is Elizabeth Diane Downs, Steve Downs ex-wife? So Mark, where are you from? In reply to Kit But I am realistic. Here's everything you need to know. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. Diane Downs Now: Her Failed Attempts to Get Parole They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Christie is a married woman and gave birth in 2005. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Steve Downs was the husband of the infamous child killer, Diane Downs. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasnt ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. It is said that they didn't go to Steve because he wasn't a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. After a failed marriage that got her a divorce from Steve Downs, she wanted to be with her lover. Downs went on trial on Jan. 12 for a rape and murder that happened in 1993, when he . During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. I am not saying she is innocent. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. It always feels like punishment at all costs. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. Whats more intriguing is that even after Diane became the prime suspect and lost custody of her surviving children, or when she was convicted, the kids didnt go live with Steve; they were adopted by the lead prosecutor in Dianes case. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. Dianes ex-lover, Robert Knickerbocker, also said the same. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. You read a few comments. I hope she is granted parole. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. ), Interesting suggestion. That they did not test the outside of the car? John Kitzhaber, Governor of Oregon The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. I dont know the woman. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. Everyone deserves peace. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. It was the story of Diane Downs. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy.
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